MOOREWATCH
Mikey at Cambridge
Author: Lee
Our global spies are always there to watch Mike's every move...
As part of his recent book tour Michael Moore visited Cambridge, in England. Here's a live report from someone who was there.
I was present at Michael Moore's appearance at the Cambridge Union (part of his tour of the UK) on Thursday afternoon. He was an hour and twenty minutes late, although mysteriously his security people turned up half an hour before he did (I have been to quite a few debates there and I have never seen a bodyguard accompanying a speaker before, let alone several -- once a Government Minister brought two advisers, but that's it).

When asked during questions from the floor why he had brought security guards with him when he rails against the "lock your doors" culture, he responded, "Why do you assume they're security guards? Because they're black?" I suspect the real reason was these gentlemen's shaven heads and earpieces, not their colour.

Why does Michael Moore need an entourage to come to Cambridge when Government Ministers and other senior politicians do not? Furthermore, why should he make such a flippant response to quite a sensible question on this point? How is it that some of his employees managed to drive down the
motorway from Manchester faster than he did?

Yours,
Gavin J.
(Undergraduate, Trinity College, Cambridge, CB2 1TQ, United Kingdom)

Mike walks around with security guards because he fears for his own safety. He then claims that any other person who wishes to arm themselves for the same reason as a paranoid gun nut who is subscribing to the "culture of fear," a culture that Mike helps to perpetuate. And as far as his minders being black, let us revisit Mikey's comments on race to get a little perspective.

"Moore went into a rant about how the passengers were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white," Yasmin Alibhai-Brown wrote in the Jan. 6 Independent. "If the passengers had included black men, he claimed, those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes."

"God save us from such stupid white men," the columnist fumed, referring to Moore's best-selling book Stupid White Men. He added that Moore was promoting the very violence in the black community that is tearing it apart.


Blacks are handy tools for Mike. They exist to protect him, and to be fodder for his propaganda, which in turn makes millions and millions of dollars, none of which gets recycled back into the black communities that Mike loves to whore out so much.

Gavin, thanks so much for your email.



Posted by: Lee on Nov 18, 03 | 2:23 am (profile) | Permalink
COMMENTS
Posted by: The welldigger on Nov 18, 03 | 6:16 am
the "culture of fear," a culture that Mike helps to perpetuate.
So you admit such a culture exist ?
And you really think Moore contribute to the culture of fear ? Or you just want to disparage him whatever he says ?
Dont take your readers for idiots.

Posted by: JimK on Nov 18, 03 | 11:21 am
Why not, you're acting like an idiot right now.

The answers to your questions are:

1. Yes. You'd be a moron and a buffoon to believe otherwise.
2. Yes. See 1.
3. Yes, for the most part. See 1 and 2, substituting "do" for "believe."

Posted by: Cigarskunk on Nov 18, 03 | 1:05 pm
1)So you admit such a culture exist ?
2)And you really think Moore contribute to the culture of fear ?
3)Or you just want to disparage him whatever he says ?
4)Dont take your readers for idiots.


1) Sure - Mike Moore and the gun control nuts created it in the uninformed average American with all of thier lies about guns and gun violence in America.

2) Hands down - anyone who lies as much as he does about guns and supports gun control laws which are only designed to disarm law abiding citizens and do nothing about criminals is heavily contributing.

3) No, we actually would like to educate him and his supporters, but sadly, his movie BfC has proven that he's got some ulterior motive for supporting gun control that neither truth nor reason can penetrate. Still though, since 99% of his supporters will never be able to gain whatever secret personal benefit Mike will gain from a disarmed America, we can still hope to educate and influence you guys.

4) We don't take the readers of this website for idiots - most of them are actually here to find facts and learn the truth - the real idiots would be the Moore-ons who take his writings as fact and not only don't research them, but even refuse to read or hear the truth when it's presented to them. The fact that many of them are still telling Mike's lie (including Mike himself) about Bush giving the Taliban $250 million even though it's been debunked numberous times is ample evidence of a distinct lack of intelligence or lack of intellectual honesty on thier parts.

So allow me to ask you Moore-ons a question - are you all idiots or just liars?

Posted by: Barnard #digi on Nov 18, 03 | 1:28 pm
Guh, you people are mad. Moore is only writing these books/doing these things i.e. one man shows to stimulate peoples brains, get a life people. Read some books, be less self conscious. He's not having a go at anyone in particular(er,except perhaps bush maybe,)hes trying to make people think for themselves.

He's done a good job on you guys, but I don't think your quite thinking in the open minded way he hoped you would.

I believe you should go back to looking for inconsistanys in the lord of rings films, i don't think a real life open minded thinking is for you. You best all go back to being the silent minority that you are when your not sitting behind your keyboard and monitor.

Posted by: The welldigger on Nov 18, 03 | 1:32 pm
"we actually would like to educate him and his supporters"
Seriously ? huhuhu So that's why this site exists?!! Eureka!!! I found the answer to the sphynx enigma!
huhuhuhu
Dont you think they have other things to do than to listen your moanings about Moore and how you hate him and how America is the greatest place and how they're idiots and etc... ?

"are you all idiots or just liars? "
Idiot ? perhaps. Liar ? certainly not. You can search for a third way if you wish.(I'm just talking for me, I dont know why you want to see me as a "Moore supporter")

Posted by: calloffthedogs on Nov 18, 03 | 1:41 pm
barnard sounds like a new United. can't wait to see the bullshit links.
btw, barnard, is your name a RZA reference?

Posted by: Barnard #digi on Nov 18, 03 | 1:48 pm
No Bullshit links from me i'm afraid, I'm just hear to read peoples opinions on Mr. Moore after just reading the new Book.I should really lurk a bit before posting methinks!

RZA? like the rapper? if so, er, no. Its my surname.

Posted by: calloffthedogs on Nov 18, 03 | 2:18 pm
ohhh. RZA's alter-ego is Bobby Digi

Posted by: Cigarskunk on Nov 18, 03 | 2:20 pm
Guh, you people are mad. Moore is only writing these books/doing these things i.e. one man shows to stimulate peoples brains


Wow - he must be REALLY pissed off then to discover that the majority of his fanbase in the US and apparently his entire fanbase overseas are buying every last lie he feeds them hook, line and sinker.

So what you're saying is that Mike has put forth all these lies, half truths and falsehoods in order to inspire people to actually go out there and find the truth - that all of these people who comment on this site that Mike's telling the truth are simply too stupid to realise his true intent?

Interesting - you may just be right - after all, he's certainly as money grubbing and insensitive as his Moore-ons like to claim conservatives are - maybe this is all an elaborate hoax by him on his followers? ;)

He's not having a go at anyone in particular(er,except perhaps bush maybe,


This is true - except for his specific attacks against Bush, all of his other attacks are blanket attacks against every single American that disagrees with him. Of course, myself and the rest of America don't feel any better just because he's only calling us all idiots in general and not taking the time to call us all idiots one at a time.

hes trying to make people think for themselves.

He's done a good job on you guys, but I don't think your quite thinking in the open minded way he hoped you would


Nah - being right of center, we were all free thinkers to begin with - but you are correct in that we aren't thinking the way Mike would like us to think. We are open minded, we just aren't politically correct and we actually think for ourselves instead of taking what Mike and the DNC say as gospel.

I believe you should go back to looking for inconsistanys in the lord of rings films,


There's a LotR discussion thread on this group? Hmm, as much as I enjoyed the books and movies, I'm not sure what they've got to do with Mike - perhaps the underlying anti-industrial theme of the books and movies might be semi-relevant but otherwise...

i don't think a real life open minded thinking is for you. You best all go back to being the silent minority that you are when your not sitting behind your keyboard and monitor.


Ahh, isn't that so paternalistic of you - looking out for our well being and telling us what to do and how to think - aren't you a precious little liberal?

/em gives Barnard #digi a little pat on the head

Seriously ? huhuhu So that's why this site exists?!! Eureka!!! I found the answer to the sphynx enigma!
huhuhuhu


Sadly, no - the answer to the sphynx enigma was "man" (or "sand" if you watched "Justice League" as a kid).

Dont you think they have other things to do than to listen your moanings about Moore and how you hate him and how America is the greatest place and how they're idiots and etc... ?


Hate Mike - no, I doubt very many of us here care enough about his existance to actually hate him - I despise him personally, but that's about it. No, the whole point of this site and those of us who post is to debunk the nonsense which Mike has been passing off as the truth to his followers - a group of people who have rather aptly demonstrated a singular inability to think for themselves and recognise the truth even when it bites them on the backside.

As for America being the greatest place - well, it's not bragging if it's true - there's no other country on the planet nor in the history of mankind that can match America's combination of wealth, freedom and opportunity. Even the people that claim to hate America with a passion refuse to give up thier citizenship and move somewhere else - America is just so great that you can hate it and want to destroy it and everything that it stands for, yet it's still a better place to live then any other country on Earth.

"are you all idiots or just liars? "
Idiot ? perhaps. Liar ? certainly not. You can search for a third way if you wish.(I'm just talking for me, I dont know why you want to see me as a "Moore supporter")


You can call yourself a Moore "defender" if you want to debate semantics - regaurdless of what you'd like to think of yourself (you're not a raging liberal, you're a moderate, right?) the fact that you'd support someone who has been passing off lies, misrepresentations and half truths as pure fact brings your own ability to tell the truth into question.

BfC was chock full of all kinds of falsehoods of various degrees as were all of Mike's other books and films - so the question is, do you agree that he's been lieing his arse off for the past decade or are you going to tell people that his works are factual and accurate, even though you know this isn't the case?

Thus the question - are you an idiot who beleives Moore or are you someone who know's Moore's lieing and is willing to help him keep getting away with it?

Posted by: calloffthedogs on Nov 18, 03 | 2:42 pm
I'd like to point out, cigarskunk, that at least on one occasion Moore has referred to charlton heston as "evil". that qualifies as a personal attack, i think. there's at least two.

Posted by: Darkwing Dork on Nov 18, 03 | 2:51 pm
Maybe Moore was employing black bodyguards as a way to put some money into the black community?

...

...

Or maybe he's just a hypocrite.

Posted by: Darkwing Dork on Nov 18, 03 | 3:04 pm
It's very telling the way Michael Moore snapped at the kid asking him about bringing bodyguards with him. Moore suffers from what what "Ozy and Millie" creator D.C. Simpson likes to call "two-tone perception disease", which means he only sees things in black and white. Because someone asked him a question he didn't feel like answering, he automatically assumes the person is an enemy of his way of thinking.

Moore can't comprehend an honest question - so naturally he jumps to the conclusion that every one who questions his beliefs is out to get him, even if they are not dyed-in-the-wool Moore haters. It's pretty sad to go through life so paranoid about everything people say.

Posted by: Barnard #digi on Nov 18, 03 | 3:14 pm
thanks for the reply Cigarskunk, my post did go a bit 'funny' towards the end.

With sites like this and posts like yours, being of a constructive nature, with no going down the usual internet users route of mass cussage. Its good to see people using their brains and debating things that they disagree on.

Brain usage and discussion is the future! U.N countries and Mr. Annan should take note methinks. ;)

Posted by: Aussiesmurf on Nov 18, 03 | 3:51 pm
"As for America being the greatest place - well, it's not bragging if it's true - there's no other country on the planet nor in the history of mankind that can match America's combination of wealth, freedom and opportunity. Even the people that claim to hate America with a passion refuse to give up thier citizenship and move somewhere else - America is just so great that you can hate it and want to destroy it and everything that it stands for, yet it's still a better place to live then any other country on Earth."

OK -

(1) Something that is true can of course be bragging. If I score a hole in one after work one day, and then tell everyone I meet for the next week that "I scored a hole in one.", then what am I doing if not bragging?

(2) Your comment about 'matching' a combination of 'wealth, freedom and opportunity' is unquantifiable. How is a country judged on any of those three aspects? Are they the three aspects that are most important on judging the 'greatness' or otherwise of a country. I also note that much of your country's 'wealth' was based on the deprivation of the freedom of a sizeable minority of your population.

(3) It is not for me to judge as to why 'America' (by which I assume you mean the United States of America, a country within the continent of North America) is a 'better place to live' than any other country on Earth. I do not 'hate America'. Why should I? Why are so many citizens of the United States so sure that the United States is a far better place to live than anywhere else when they have never come even close to actually living anywhere else? Given the tax syster in the United States compared with that of Australia (my home) I would certainly be wealthier in the United States given my income-earning capacity (I am a lawyer). However, numerous other factors mean that I consider it preferable to remain living in Australia. And what does America 'stand for'? There may be many great attributes that YOU as a person stand for - why does the United States of America stand for a particular thing?



Posted by: Thededalus on Nov 18, 03 | 9:22 pm
Why are so many citizens of the United States so sure that the United States is a far better place to live than anywhere else when they have never come even close to actually living anywhere else?

Aussiesmurf,

I don't know why people say these kind of things nor do I understand the arrogance with which they say it. I lived a year in South America, have traveled a good bit elsewhere, and have worked the last two years in Mexico (living on the US border working for a US company). That experience has shown me that there are easily many places outside of the US that would be great to live in and that there is also more than wealth, freedom and opportunity to judge a country by.

Despite that I continue to live in the US for what should be obvious reasons: family & friends (and that whole thing of being born here). America's combination of wealth, freedom and opportunity are also certainly a factor, but these, as you know, are not exclusive to the US, despite common assertions on this site that the economies of France, Germany and 'whatever country' are going to shit.

Posted by: Aussiesmurf on Nov 18, 03 | 10:40 pm
Thededalus,

Thanks for a perfectly rational, reasonable response. It is beyond reasonable argument to deny that, compared with many repressive regimes, the United States has many benefits.

Is your name from the Icarus legend?

Posted by: Wheels on Nov 18, 03 | 11:02 pm
While I'm not convinced with the claims of America being a better place to live than anywhere else, I can see where these claims are coming from. I believe there's no better place in the world to live than Australia, cause it's all I know. I'm in a beautiful city, with pretty much everything I need.

But, I do have to make a point regarding what Aussiesmurf said.

I also note that much of your country's 'wealth' was based on the deprivation of the freedom of a sizeable minority of your population.

What do you think happened with the Indigenous people of this country? They were systematically killed off, with their population dropping from 300,000 at the arrival of white man to possibly as low as even 20,000 in 1911 (according to this well sourced site.) And it wasn't until 1971 that our census accepted they were human beings. So before you criticise American policy, you should realise/accept that the British settlers who founded this country came within 20,000 kills of performing the largest and most successful act of genocide in the history of the world.

Sorry to be blunt, but it's the truth.

Posted by: Thededalus on Nov 19, 03 | 4:30 am
Aussiesmurf,

In a roundabout way, yes. The legend played a symbolic part in "A Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man." There's a scene where the protagonist is crossing a bridge and his peers see him and say: "Here comes the Dedalus!" If I remember right, it was supposed to be symbolic of his overcoming the so-called shackles of "religion, family and patriotism."

Anyways, I think you're probably the first to recognize that, though, anymore I think of it as one word, not two...

Posted by: Darkwing Dork on Nov 19, 03 | 7:55 am
Maybe we Americans are using the term "greatest" the same way advertisers use the term "best". You see, in advertising you can legally say your product is the "best" if it equal to all the competitors products and all the products are at the moment the best they can be. On the other hand, if you say that your product is "better" than you have to prove why it is superior to others.

On the same token, America is the "greatest" because it's pretty equal to most other modern democracies, but it is "greater" than 2nd and 3rd World countries...

Posted by: The welldigger on Nov 19, 03 | 10:30 am
I doubt very many of us here care enough about his existance to actually hate him
That's really beautiful. I find you spend a lot of time discussing about a man you dont even care the existence.

you're not a raging liberal, you're a moderate, right?
wrong. Why the hell do you want to categorize people like that ????

And I guess Aussiesmurf and Thedadalus are also just moronic liars...

Posted by: Cigarskunk on Nov 19, 03 | 11:25 am
I believe you should go back to looking for inconsistanys in the lord of rings films,


There's a LotR discussion thread on this group? Hmm, as much as I enjoyed the books and movies, I'm not sure what they've got to do with Mike - perhaps the underlying anti-industrial theme of the books and movies might be semi-relevant but otherwise...


OK, was watching the director's cut of Two Towers last night (just hit the shelves yesterday - OK, go for it - I'm a geek) and I realised what the LotR connection was to Mike Moore.

MIKE MOORE IS GOLUM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just sitting there watching it, I suddenly realised it.

Think about it - "My precious elections - curse the Bush - he stoles our election. Nasty little Bush, we hates it - FOREVER!!!" ;)

I also note that much of your country's 'wealth' was based on the deprivation of the freedom of a sizeable minority of your population.


Actually, only a small percentage of the wealth of the US was gleaned from the less than 100 years we tolerated slavery as a nation.

On the other hand, most European nations built thier entire wealth base from the rape and exploitation of the other nations - there is the plunder of Africa, South America, India, the Middle East and most of Asia which you guys have to answer for along with the 300 years of slavery that you guys performed before the US came into being.

Why are so many citizens of the United States so sure that the United States is a far better place to live than anywhere else when they have never come even close to actually living anywhere else?


If you've ever spent any real time in America, it's quite easy - the freedom from taxes, regulations and oppresion in general is unmatched in America. The freedom to achieve and succeed is boundless. The only thing stopping you in America is you.

Then I take a look at the rest of the world - regulations and laws that you were born with, us American's find oppresive, taxes that are the norm for your middle class are unheard of even by our wealthiest, limitations on one's travel and lifestyle which you have never had issue with are intollerable to us Americans.

I can hop in my truck right now and starting in the Philadelphia area on the US east coast, I can start driving west and go non-stop for 3000 miles without ever having to change my money, stop at a border, get my truck searched, know a different language or show my ID for any reason other than using an out of state debit card.

I only have to give 30% of my income to my state and federal government combined and I feel I'm being ripped off if I pay more than $1.45 a GALLON for gasoline. I don't have "free" healthcare, but the money that I spend on occassion is far less then the wage and fuel taxes that you're paying and I'm getting equal or better healthcare in the process. I have the right to defend myself, my loved ones and my property if need be and I know that I can help a person in trouble without fear of being arrested for being a descent person. I have total and unrestricted freedom of the press to the point that I want freedom from the press. I am a citizen, not a subject - I give my government it's rights, not the other way around.

Show me a country that can offer me all of these things and I'll give it some consideration, but to the best of my knowledge, no other country can offer that degree of freedom and potential I've just described.

Posted by: The welldigger on Nov 19, 03 | 12:12 pm
"most European nations built thier entire wealth base from the rape and exploitation of the other nations - there is the plunder of Africa, South America, India, the Middle East and most of Asia which you guys have to answer for along with the 300 years of slavery that you guys performed before the US came into being."
Oh please, dont judge me like that, I was young and foolish when I did those things.
"You guys"???!!!!

Posted by: Aussiesmurf on Nov 19, 03 | 2:57 pm
No argument about the treatment and oppression of our indigenous people. And I don't want to get into a p***ing match over Australia vs. USA vs. Great Britian. My exact point was that people prefer to live in different places for different reasons.

A frequent broadside that I have often read is that 'you people criticise the USA, but if we let you, you'd live here in a heartbeat.' There are many intelligent, successful people who do NOT wish to live in or near the USA.

Partly because of cultural differences.

Posted by: Cigarskunk on Nov 20, 03 | 9:28 am
I don't want to get into a p***ing match over Australia vs. USA vs. Great Britian.


Don't bring it up then - if you want to bring up some type of oppression from the past as a reason for not living in one country, you had best be prepared to accept the fact that folks will point out any oppression your favorite country has committed.

Posted by: mehitchcock on Nov 23, 03 | 8:17 am
Cigar.
As a conservative, you should understand that making shitloads of money early on is the surest way to making shitloads later. That's how exploitative capitalist feudal plutocracies work.
If you discount the first 100 years of slavery, you're not being rational.
King Cotton is what made our nation so rich, and as we effing know, having money to invest and exploit is what produces fantastic amounts of wealth.
Anyhow, In Stupis White Men, Moore promised to hire only black people from now on. He thought it was something he himself could do to help alleviate the wealth gap between whites and blacks.
None of you Moore haters have seemed to read anything he's said and think about it. What if, and I know this might hurt your delicately prejudiced minds to apprehend, Moore is simply keeping a promise of his. Maybe that's why his body guards are black.
As for having them, he is being no more inconsistent than Bush by having them. He says he is popular and the people of America and Britain support him. Bush blithley spouts about "loving freedom of speech" but cancels a talk at the House of Lords for fear of being heckled.
How difficult is it to always cut things down into two simplistic sides? Some of these issues have dozens of sides. How long does it take for you irrational thinkers to chop it down?

Posted by: Fred Masters on Dec 05, 03 | 10:33 pm
mehitchcock: Actually, the simple fact that capitalism was so inefficient (especially in terms of basic worker's rights and such) meant that new wealth WASN'T created, so that wealth can be discounted. Wealth didn't begin actually growing in America until well after the Civil War, when Unions did the only good thing they ever did: getting workers paid a fair amount and enforcing the rule of law in terms of safety and reparations for workers. Any money made before this was, almost by definition, taken from someplace else. You can discount that money. Also, many people have argued, perhaps correctly, that the total economic value of the slaves was negative for a number of reasons, not the least of which being that workers couldn't afford to buy their own products. For an individual employer, this is good, but it is bad for the economy.



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