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Death Wish
Dec 01, 03 | 3:59 pm
GoGoPowerrangers: NukeChild: No, we're actively preparing to defend ourselves, if need be. Most of the time, that doesn't mean killing, or, in a lot of cases, even firing your weapon. By saying that you are preparing to defend yourself with a lethal weapon you are also declaring that you are actively preparing to kill someone. Of course, you are potentially liable to kill someone while driving your car, but as moogi already stated: there is a difference ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 3:35 pm
sl0re: Posted by: The welldigger on Dec 01, 03 | 8:50 am > Second, people arent empty boxes wich can be filled with the things they see > or read, and his "fans" are certainly not as stupid and uninformed as you > think Ummm, I'm not going to say anything other than that maybe you should go to some pro-Moore sites (such as indymedia) and then report back on whether you'd like to revise and or expand on your ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 3:28 pm
sl0re: Posted by: The welldigger on Dec 01, 03 | 8:39 am >>> ""Wow, that can be called a binary vision of things." >> "...ah but also a very realistic vision." > Of course not, its completely simplistic. (What's your definition of > binary ???) Just because it is simplistic does not make it wrong... don't hold your breath waiting for gang memebers to come to your aid... ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 3:13 pm
sl0re: Posted by: moogi on Dec 01, 03 | 2:17 am > I think this is where the line is drawn, personaly i would give up a "civil > liberty" and definitely some "fun", if someone could prove to me that it > would save just 1 life. I guess that sums it up. I wouldn't. I'm a libertarian, I lean the other way.. I'll trade saftey for those 'civil liberties'... > How many extra does it take 10 or ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 3:02 pm
NukeChild: Er what is exactly slanderous about suggesting gun owners enjoy owning guns?..at least two have come right out and said it. You are not stupid, here is your original comment: “I would put it to you that the fact this never came up was very significant in the discussion. The reason the "self-defence" argument is exaggerated to such an extent seems to be that none of you are brave enough to admit you just think guns ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 2:49 pm
The welldigger: huhuhuhu great performance Craig. ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 2:38 pm
Michael the Great: This is totally off topic, but in light of the recent aniversary of the JFK assasination, I've heard alot of goofy conspiracy theories so I made my own. I think Ted Kennedy did it. It makes perfect sense, and here is my evidence: 1. Ted is a drunkard. 2. He has killed before. 3. He is the only one left. Man, I'm gonna be famous. ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 2:24 pm
sl0re: Posted by: Mojomajik on Dec 01, 03 | 2:07 am > I also don't give too much credence to the idea we need guns in case the > government turns on us. With the advent of bunker buster bombs, Apache > helicopters, tomahawk missiles etc...I really don't think the government > would have a problem taking full control if they were so inclined. Couple points: 1) I think the trick is to take one or two of them with you when ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 1:54 pm
moogi: callofthedogs has just illustrated my point perfectly.. stop pretending it's all down to civil rights and self-defence a lot of you just think guns are cool. ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 1:46 pm
moogi: "Do we take away driving privileges (that's right driving is NOT a right, it’s a privilege by LAW) but should we take away driving privileges? People die in car accidents every day due to drunk drivers or irresponsible drivers" Your missing the point. Guns are designed to kill stuff, that's all. So your only use for them is self protection or fun..or actually killing stuff of course. Cars clearly have a use and benefit that outways ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 1:39 pm
calloffthedogs: I have no problem admitting guns are fun. *drool* ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 1:38 pm
moogi: RushDawg..Foolsmacker.. If you read my previous posts you'll see I'm not trying to assert a case that "you should not own guns". I'm just suggesting that this whole self protection business is blown way out of proportion... and personally i wouldn't feel the need to own a gun for any reason and especially if it would save people. Infact as I live in a country where every thing you fear so deeply has come true..I know it ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 1:29 pm
moogi: Nuke Child "I fail to see your point, except a pathetic attempt to slander your opponent’s motives"... Er what is exactly slanderous about suggesting gun owners enjoy owning guns?..at least two have come right out and said it. "Stop this fatalism crap.".. if you're not gonna say anything constructive then just don't bother mate. So your telling me you can predict every consequence of your actions then? Of course your behaviour influences the turn out ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 12:03 pm
Rushdawg2112: I will admit it! I think guns are a hell of a lot of fun. I went skeet shooting last Friday and I had the time of my life! Yes, guns can be dangerous, but that is why I handle mine carefully and with 100% control. Anyway, back to what I was really going to comment on. I am glad the old man was able to protect himself because it reminds us that gun ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 11:14 am
Fool-Smacker: GoGo, To me, self-protection would be more in the lines of locking my door or avoiding dark alleys at night. Most people already do that, and still, there's crime. There's a reason they call it "Breaking in" to someone's house, and not "Walking in." it scares ME that some people are actively preparing to kill other people by acquiring a gun for “self-protection”. No, we're actively preparing to defend ourselves, if need be. Most of the time, ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 11:01 am
NukeChild: You kill people when you're drunk Nukechild ?? No, but the idea is that if we should be willing to give up our freedoms and enjoyments to save even only one life, then as a society, we should ban the sale of alcohol because some people indulge too much and end up killing themselves through stupidity or liver disease. "Aren't we all really playing the numbers game. If someone manages to defend their lives with ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 10:41 am
Craig: Both Michael Moore and Welldigger win free "DUH" T-shirts. ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 10:37 am
Craig: Of course, it would NEVER occur to Moore to examine how a hardened criminal who murdered THREE teenagers in cold blood could be released from prison and allowed to murder about a halfdozen more people. Could it just be possible be that more murders/crime occurr when courts let hardened criminals out of prison to commit more crimes; and has nothing at all to do with banks giving free deer rifles to their depositors or Lockheed ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 10:24 am
Craig: Eeeh, correct that last post: If Mcduff had been executed for the 1966 slayings of Mark Durman, Robert Brand, and Edna Sullivan, he wouldn't have been able to kill the other six female victims. Plus, Melissa Northrup was pregnant at the time of her murder. Maybe, Michael Moore could include THIS story in his next Mockumentary? He could go make fun of the county 4H club's skeet shooting competition, instead of examining the fact that McDuff was a ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 10:13 am
Craig: "Er, precisely no. It's not a fine example. And I don't think that you have to fully cooperate with your attacker, but try not to kill him if possible." Tell THAT to Colleen Reed, Safafina Parker, Robert Brand, Mark Durman, Edna Louise Sullivan, Brenda Thompson, Regina Moore, Valencia Joshua, Melissa Northrup, and Roy Dale Green. Ooops, you can't tell it to them... BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL DEAD. Oh, but their killer got to live to the ripe old age ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 10:09 am
GoGoPowerrangers: Ok, here we go... a quickie. I will never understand how an honest citizen possessing a gun creates fear. Oh, but it doesn't. I know several honest gun-owning citizens who don't scare me at all. It's the willingness to shoot people that scares me. I will never understand how the willingness to defend my family is worrisome or bothersome. A willingness to defend ones family is natural. I just have some doubts about the means. [i]I will ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 9:50 am
Craig: welldig, BFC was supposedly a "documentary" which claimed to examine why the murder rate in the U.S. is higher than in other countries. Moore then proceeded to chronicle what he called "the gun culture" and "the culture of fear" and used North Country Bank, Kmart, Columbine, Dick Clark, etc. as supporting examples for him premise, even though Dick Clark, North Country Bank, Lockheed, and Charleton Heston have not committed ANY crimes. He cites numbers of murders without ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 9:28 am
The welldigger: "By your logic, no one can drive, no one can drink" You kill people when you're drunk Nukechild ?? "Stop this fatalism crap." Not fatalism at all, what moogi said is perfectly true. You werent aware of that ?? Let's see it one more time: "Aren't we all really playing the numbers game. If someone manages to defend their lives with a gun, isn't it down to luck just as much as someone who manages to escape without one. It's ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 9:15 am
The welldigger: "Here's a fine example of crime victims who fully cooperated with their attacker" Er...precisely,no. It's not a fine example. And I dont think you have to fully cooperate with your attacker, but try to not kill him if possible. "Of course, Welldigger will be relieved to know that the criminal and his accomplice were not harmed by any of the victims during the commission of the crimes." Yeah that's so great! You know I love so much serial ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 9:01 am
NukeChild: Well, whether it is a "culture of fear" or not it scares ME that some people are actively preparing to kill other people by acquiring a gun for “self-protection”. Statements like these always leave me shaking my head in wonder. I will never understand how an honest citizen possessing a gun creates fear. I will never understand how the willingness to defend my family is worrisome or bothersome. I will never understand ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 8:50 am
The welldigger: "Meanwhile, his stupid-uninformed fans still believe that most violent crime in America is caused by banks giving-away "free" guns, NRA members, highschool students, Dick Clark, and Charleston Heston." I dont think his fans think that. First, Moore never said that "most violent crime in America is caused by banks giving-away "free" guns, NRA members, highschool students, Dick Clark, and Charleston Heston", you seem to not have watched BFC very attentively. Second, people arent empty boxes wich ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 8:42 am
Craig: Here's a fine example of crime victims who fully cooperated with their attacker, hoping that he would not harm them. Also, notice how the cowardly perpetrator consciously picked small women and teenagers as his victims. Of course, Welldigger will be relieved to know that the criminal and his accomplice were not harmed by any of the victims during the commission of the crimes. http://www.thecriminologist.com/new_criminologist/volume1/portrait_serial/portrait_serial.asp ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 8:40 am
jwilliamsii: I've been away for the holiday and didn't yet read all the posts. Has anyone posted THIS article yet? ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 8:39 am
The welldigger: "it is very possible that he could have killed them both" I didnt say he couldnt. ""Wow, that can be called a binary vision of things." "...ah but also a very realistic vision." Of course not, its completely simplistic. (What's your definition of binary ???) "In BFC, Moore concentrates on NRA members, Dick Clark, Charleton Heston, Kmart, Lockheed, and North Country Bank without ever really mentioning the true profile of most violent criminals." Well, er... quite logical no? Its a movie ...

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Dec 01, 03 | 8:10 am
Craig: "Wow, that can be called a binary vision of things." ...ah but also a very realistic vision. The vast majority of violent crime is drug related and involves disputes over drugs, drug money, turf wars, etc and are drug traffickers/users killing each other. Most of these criminals and those who are murdered are involved in the drug trade and have repeat criminal records. Most of these violent crimes occur in very localized highcrime urban areas. In BFC, Moore ...